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"Religion? No thanks. I prefer not to outsource my brainwashing." - Bunc
Trying to get your average Joe creationist to understand the phrase scientific theory is as hard as getting a fish to enjoy mountaineering. Its an unimagined world for them - it requires a complete reversal of their normal modes of thinking and being. The fact that humans could explain the complexities of this world without a creating God is a world view they cannot grasp. It's like asking a tuna if it appreciates the view from the top of Mount Everest. Bunc

Aug 23, 2008

USA United Methodists join the modern world

In one sense it is reassuring to see that within the Christian community in the US there are some significant movements away from the lunacy that is creationism and the pseudo science of "intelligent" design.

In a significant victory for rationalism and common sense it seems that the United Methodist Church in the US has accepted proposals which make clear that the United Methodist Church stance on Evolution is that there is no conflict between Evolution and Church theology. From the article it would seem that this advance in rationalism is intended to make clear that the Church has no issue with modern science and defend against the possibility that younger members would leave the Church if it did not make this clear.

While I am reassured by this advance of rationalism within the US Christian community I must be honest and say that it does of course make the Atheists job a little harder when Theists stop spouting anti-science nonsense. We then are back on philosophical debates about the existence of God etc rather than the much easier job of showing what an irrational bunch Theists are as demonstrated by the Anti-evolutionist movement.

I have found that my own inclination to get out and about on the Internet and "take on" Christians and others over their Theism has been very strongly motivated by the vociferous positions that Creationist IDers were taking in public debate. In some ways had they not been doing this I suspect that I and many others would still have been "quiet" Atheists debating with friends after dinner. In that situation I probably never would have started writing and commenting on the Internet about the issue. Hopefully at least a core of creationists will continue to spout their nonsense otherwise I am going to end up with nothing to get riled about.

3 comments:

Marf said...

As scientific facts become common knowledge, religions must adapt or die. I'd actually prefer the latter.

Looney said...

Given that this is from the modernist/post-modernist United Methodists, I would hardly take this as some sort of well thought out endorsement of evolution. Instead, their leadership has rejected any need for consistent thinking on any subject. Kosher pork chops, Islamic whiskey and Buddhist cannibalism would all be quite natural to them - along with incestuous Christian relations and, well, just about anything else. If they endorsed ID, I would probably get very suspicious!

Bunc said...

Looney - just let me get this straight - are you in the Peoples Front of Judea, the Popular Peoples Judean Front or the Judean Popular Peoples Front? I can never remember which sect is which ...

(Marf will I am sure get this joke - I have my doubts about whether you have a working knowledge of things Python though...)

Religious sects are like left wing political groups - they actually get more worked up about each other than they do about anything else.

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